Thursday, December 15, 2011

TanksGiving Contest Winners, with Side of Drama

26 comments
So I've been thinking a lot lately about how to sort this whole mess out. I want to give this Baneblade away, but I feel like this whole thing got a little out of hand for a variety of reasons.

Lets take a look shall we at what went wrong and how to maybe fix it for the future.

First off I think I should have come right out and asked for original new work for the contest, instead of just implied it.  I mean a prize is a prize right, so put some fresh effort into it? I seem to think that's fair right?  So we'll just make it a requirement for future entries.

Second was the polling.  Blogger's poll system is far from secure, and some people got 40 votes in the span of 5 minutes, lol. And that's just one instance I happen to see, who knows what other weirdness I missed.

Third was the comments. While I'm sure that the artists appreciate someone saying they like their work, (and don't get me wrong these entries were all great, and very well done) making anonymous posts just to drum up support for your entry is well silly.

With the Disqus system I get an email with any comment that is made to the blog, which also happens to contain the IP, email address, and some other secret stuff I'm not even sure I'm allowed to talk about. So posting from the same IP with a different email address will get noticed believe it or not.

That happened a lot sadly enough.

So there we go, what went wrong in a nutshell. Next time the staff and I will have the final say on the winner(s), BUT we would still love your input about your favorites!

I think since this contest went so FUBAR so fast, we're just going to call it a wash, and give everyone who did enter a nice little something for their efforts regardless. It is just toy soldiers after all.

Everyone's a winner so there, lol.

If you did enter shoot me an email with your mailing address, and I will get you out a nice bits bag prize pack, with some choice stuff from my personal collection.

Thanks to all for the submissions, see ya back for the next big contest! -MBG

26 comments:

Sam Rhee said...

Jeez, people, a Baneblade is what...a hundred dollars? That's how much your ethical compass is worth? That's how much your time (spent scamming) is worth? 

I've done two giveaways on my blog, and I had 50% success in terms of integrity. But I still have hope for this community. MOST people take contests in the spirit which they are initiated.

Thanks for doing this, I am always fascinated by people's conversion skills.

Paul Bagosy said...

4 things:

1) This is why polled contests DO NOT WORK, but since you ran one, don't expect that "one person, one vote" was going to be the rule of the day.  Even if I'm not going out of my way to spam the vote, you're still giving me the option to vote from work, from home, and from my phone.  Why *wouldn't* I?  If you want to run a contest, get a few of your friends together and decide the winner among yourselves.  Relying on the internet for accurate and unbiased data is like relying on Games Workshop to not raise their prices.

2) You're running a contest that requires the entrant to convert their own SUPER HEAVY BATTLE TANK and you allow 27 days?  I'm one of those unfortunates who has a job and a family, so converting a huge model from start to finish would have been quite the struggle.  Not explicitly spelling out "original new work" means that people were going to assume that your short timeframe allowed for previously completed work to be entered.

3) While "original new work" wasn't stated, SUPER HEAVY BATTLE TANK was.  Strangely enough, the entry with the questions about its ownership did not fit that description and shouldn't have been allowed in the contest in the first place.  Nice model and all, but if you're going to allow something that doesn't fit the theme of the contest, why have a theme at all?

4) A bitz bag?  Are you kidding me?  I didn't participate in this contest other than voting for my favorite model, and I feel ripped off for everyone involved.  You laid $100 on the table, and when you didn't like the results of the voting, you're taking it back and offered to hand out the remains from a bunch of sprues?  Why would anyone in their right mind ever enter one of your future contests knowing that your prizes aren't legitimate?

Regardless of whether you play the game or just paint, if you enter a contest, you're looking for competition.  Competition implies a winner.  I don't claim to speak for anyone who entered, but if I was one of them, I'd be just as upset over not even having a delcared winner as I would be that I'd entered a contest where the prize vanished at the end and was substituted with bag of leftovers to add to the giant box of leftovers I probably already have.

Paul Chappell said...

Well, shame the contest turned out poorly...  I have to admit I really liked several of the entries, neat stuff and far beyond my skill...  I'm just trying to recreate the ancient Spartan Land Raider I did 20+ years back and finding that I have apparently forgotten a LOT of the little things :-) 

theambit said...

Just FYI I have a job and am out of town as part of it and still managed to put mine together!  I don't think a 1 month time line is too short at all...

Beast said...

Dude, get over yourself and come down from your high horse.  It sounds like MANY of the entrants gamed the system in their lame attempts to boost their own model over the top.  I don't blame Rob one bit for calling the whole thing a wash...  I feel sorry for a few entrants who DID submit their own original work and DIDN'T spam their own votes.  Rob and those legit people have learned a sad lesson about some of their peers.  And one other thing.. Do you even know what Rob is putting in the bits bags?  I've seen his maasive bits box and it has some excellent stuff in it...

Beast said...

Just a couple more thoughts Paul, (and I don't mean this as a personal attack, but I felt your comments deserved a response)

You said: "Even if I'm not going out of my way to spam the vote, you're still giving me the option to vote from work, from home, and from my phone.  Why *wouldn't* I?"

Well, let me think for a millisecond...  Because I have some integrity and personal pride? The lame-o spammers got caught being... well... lame and ruined the contest for everyone.  Was it predictable? Maybe, but I would have tried it like Rob did and hoped that my fellow gamers (at least the local ones) had some measure of integrity. He rightly "trusted but verified" as the saying goes... Rob now knows who does and who does not have integrity (in at least the local gaming group)...  Too bad it worked out the way it did.  I didn't enter this contest, but I will enter Rob's in the future. I have no worries about his prize support, his integrity or his ability to see through BS...  His past speaks for itself.

Paul Bagosy said...

Way to miss the point.  If you give people the *option* of voting multiple times, you should expect them to do so.  I'm not talking about sacrificing personal integrity and pride, I'm talking about a vending machine that says "50 cents for one soda, 50 cents for two sodas, please select."  I'm not Richard Nixon if I hit button #2.

See, for instance, Sidney Crosby currently placing 2nd on the NHL All-Star ballot despite playing only 8 games so far this season because people are allowed to vote as many times as they want for whomever they want, regardless of merit.

There's a big difference between setting up a spam voting script and voting once from home and once from work.  The system isn't designed to be a one-person-one-vote affair.  It's got nothing to do with integrity.

And seriously, I think we all know that this hobby attracts a large number of people who will do whatever they can to win the second that there's money on the line, to the point that those of us that aren't like that expect everyone else to be if we don't know that they're not - so tossing an extra vote or two our own way doesn't seem like we're turning into Hannibal Lecter.

Jessie Garcia said...

You _could_ do something like have open voting and have it all count as one vote, say a fan favorite, and then have your panel of judges/friends/whatever count as the other four or five votes.  Then the issue is mitigated or at least managed. 

I do think you promised one thing and gave another as far as the prizes go, but I understand your frustration; if it were me, I'd be sorely tempted to give the prize to the one with the most votes, and publicly thank Jeebus4All2@grotsink .net for all 63 of his or her votes, and say thanks to their heroic efforts, I have decided to never run a contest again. 

But I'm old and bitter.

As the original builder of that Titan, I was both surprised and happy to see it entered, and I agree that it should not have been in a tank competition.

theambit said...

Very impressive work on that titan dude.

Teagan Mercer said...

I don't now about the others here by i like participating in contest when i get the time. I'm just glad he but my tank up for the voting in the first place. and I'm hoping for other contest on this site in the future.

jdc1996 said...

I'll second that.

Joe! said...

I mean it's a hundred dollars and little to no consequences.  This isn't like college where if you plagiarize you get kicked out.  The worst thing is that you could get shunned from the online community.

Richard Jordan said...

If I cheat by saying I entered the contest, will you send me some stuff? :P

Richard Jordan said...

Right thats the sarcasm out of my system.
How about about using friend connect for the votes? one google logon one vote. Its not perfect, but it'd take a lot longer to spam votes if they had to create a new google account for every one of their false positives.

Beast said...

I didn't miss the point at all dude- but apparently you still do.  Expecting people to conduct themselves with some semblance of fairness and morals is not "missing the point".. It may be seldom achieved in our current "entitlement" society, but I think we all know that voting for yourself 3, 10 or 100 times is not what the contest was all about.  You have shown your own mindset by your willingness to vote multiple times for yourself (in theory) so not much point in trying to tell a leopard to change it's spots....  But rhetorically, do you really think there is a difference between voting twice for yourself, or voting 100 times for yourself?  Just like you are either pregnant or not pregnant- you are either a cheater or not a cheater...  Not much room there for gray areas...

Paul Bagosy said...

Yes, there is a difference between a store display with a price tag and one that says "free."  The point is that the system is designed to allow multiple votes.

I guess you don't see a difference between taking two free samples and backing a moving truck up to the sample rack.

Beast said...

We're not talking about free samples here... Way to create a strawman there... :-(

Paul Bagosy said...

I don't see how that's a strawman.  We're talking about a system that allows people to vote more than once, but would require manipulation to vote in large masses.

Beast said...

People might be "able" to vote more than once, but everyone knows you are not supposed to.  Unless maybe you grew up in the USSR...   You are also "able" to burn your neighbors house to the ground, but it doesn't mean you are supposed to or even allowed to....

Paul Bagosy said...

As for what the contest was "all about," at least part of it was allowing the anonymous nature of the internet to be the arbiter of a prize.  The same anonymous internet that crashes banks because it can.

Paul Bagosy said...

I wasn't aware that arson is now legal.

Also, everyone knows that a Titan isn't a "super heavy battle tank," but that was apparently a valid entry.

Beast said...

Agree 100% Sam. There is some truly amazing conversion talent out threre and this contest was a great showcase for it. Unfortunate that SOME others apparently have no ethical compass whatsoever.  Even more unfortunate that there are actually people out there who try to justify cheating to themselves and the rest of us. If they voted more than once for themselves, then they cheated and every other entrant has a right to be pissed about that.  I feel bad for MBG who tried to do something good for the community, only to be slapped in the face by the unethical, immature entrants who attempt to "game" the system (aka cheating)...

Beast said...

Wow... So the lack of painful economic or educational consequences make it okay to cheat other people?

spikeybits said...

I agree with Beast- That is one of the most ignorant things I have ever read.

theambit said...

I don't think he's implying that he thinks it's ok, I think he's saying that you shouldn't be suprised it happened.  I mean really the only consequence here is that those who resorted to cheating the most (therefore weren't going to win) got free bits out of the deal.  So really it paid off for them.

Jessie Garcia said...

It's what was asked of me - a suit in a suit.

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